Gravity and entropy — what is the relationship between them?

Gravity and entropy — what is the relationship between them? What can be observed in the process of star collapse seems quite singular. Could this relationship between gravity and entropy inside black holes reveal a paradox in the description of our universe? What happens inside a black hole? Everything that crosses the event horizon loses information. This means that entropy, as a measure of disorder, should decrease. Is this the case? Or is the opposite true?

When a star no longer has enough fuel for significant fusion reactions, there are three possible outcomes, depending on the remnant star's mass: If it is less than the Chandrasekhar limit (1.4 solar masses), the star will stabilize and shrink, becoming a white dwarf; between the Chandrasekhar limit and the Tolman–Oppenheimer–Volkoff limit (approximately 2.9 M_☉), it will become a neutron star; and above the Tolman–Oppenheimer–Volkoff limit, the star will become a black hole.

However, it is theorized that the high density of neutron star cores allow for quark matter and, as a result, a star that is more massive than even the Tolman–Oppenheimer–Volkoff limit, yet still is not a black hole. Here is a collapsar (a portmanteau word formed by "collapsed" + "star") - it is a star which has undergone gravitational collapse.

Gravity and entropy - What happens inside a black hole? Everything that crosses the event horizon loses information. This means that entropy, as a measure of disorder, should decrease. However, this view is not credible. We don't know what's happening inside a black hole, and mathematical proofs without empirical confirmation are just pure speculation. This illustration was generated by AI Gemini (CreatedbyAI).

According to the Second Law of Thermodynamics, any isolated system strives for equilibrium, where entropy reaches a maximum. Assuming that the Universe as a whole is an isolated system, it should also strive for equilibrium. Starting from these assumptions, Hermann von Helmholtz put forward the hypothesis of the thermal death of the Universe, according to which the Universe will eventually reach thermodynamic equilibrium (Thermodynamic free energy), in which it will be impossible to convert thermal energy into work, thus making it impossible for the Universe to evolve.

However, this fact is relatively difficult to observe, and therefore there are numerous discussions as to whether the Universe is an isolated system or only a closed one, and whether it actually strives for equilibrium as a whole. Opponents of this concept believe that the expanding Universe cannot be treated as an isolated system, as it is impossible to define an area from which no radiation would escape. All we know is that the entropy of the vast majority of known isolated systems increases in the direction we call the future. Thus, from this point of view, thermodynamics determines the direction of the passage of time (the so-called thermodynamic arrow of time).

It seems that entropy increases with the passage of time. But what is the relationship between gravity and entropy? Does such a relationship exist? There is currently a lot of information on this topic — we have included one example as a quote. Later, we will present our views on gravity and entropy.

Here is the cited article: Source: https://www.quantamagazine.org/is-gravity-just-entropy-rising-long-shot-idea-gets-another-look-20250613/

Let's assume a massive body is in a quantum combination, or "superposition," that is, in two different positions. Would its gravitational field also be in a superposition, attracting falling bodies in two different directions? Well, isn't this somewhat reminiscent of considerations regarding the location of massive bodies from our past? Is it then possible for a massive body from our past to exert gravitational influence? Since time passes differently at the quantum level than on the macroscale?

Entropy must work closely with time. Generally speaking, the more time passes, the greater the entropy. If time is related to gravity, then perhaps gravity would be similarly related to entropy. How should this be understood? It seems that this relationship can be described as: the greater the mass, the greater the entropy. Is this true?

Measuring a quantum system in superposition causes its many possible states to collapse into a single, specific state. This specific state appears to be the template for constructing our present Reality. Some physicists suggest that this collapse is caused by the inherent randomness of the universe. This may be true, but the point is that the remaining superposition scenarios must exist somewhere. Where?

Gravity and entropy According to our Concept

According to our Concept — ToE–Quantum Space, gravitational interaction is connected with our Here and Now. It is an image of our present moment. The phenomenon of gravity is attributed to our present Reality. There is no gravitational interaction from our past. But this mass did exist in our past. Could the concept of a holographic universe be correct after all?

According to our Concept — ToE–Quantum Space, the Universe is an isolated system that can expand in a “bubble.” We have named this bubble the Root Cause — it is the Initial Singularity that played a key role in the creation of our Universe. The process of the creation of the Universe consists in its expansion. Does more matter appear during the expansion of the Universe?

Gravity and entropy. Perhaps our universe is a black hole. If we examine and estimate the proportions shown by the data on what may be happening inside a black hole, we can assume that our universe is a black hole. Outside such a black hole, everything seems to be compressed. But inside, information follows its continuum and “ plays back” the passage of time.

This situation is illustrated in the image above. We can assume that our Universe is an isolated system. This means that our Universe is similar to a black hole. Our concept assumes that our Universe is the interior of a black hole from which we are unable to escape. Therefore, if other parallel universes exist, they are isolated in such a way as if they were black holes. No information about another “parallel” universe can escape and enter our universe.

This means that black holes are gateways to other universes. The interior of every massive black hole may contain enough information to describe another universe. Black holes therefore hold the keys to other universes. The information absorbed from our universe is the building block for another universe. Since the interior of a black hole tends to decrease entropy, this means that each subsequent universe “contained” inside a black hole tends toward greater perfection of matter — decreasing entropy inside.

Different concept of time, may influence on Gravity and entropy

Well, according to our Concept — ToE–Quantum Space, inside a black hole there is information gathered from the beginning of our Universe to the moment of its end. The question is, can this information be useful? What if the information inside a black hole tends toward a single state of the Universe — toward a description of the first moment of our Universe’s existence? Could it be that in the first moment of existence, it was possible to exist without basic attributes: without time, without space, without energy and without matter? Perhaps at that time there was only unity, a mysterious bond between time, space, energy and matter.

If the first moment described by Primary Information presented an interpretation of the unification of time, space, energy and matter, then this description must converge to a single point—the moment of the first Primary Information. Therefore, if our Universe has a Beginning and an End, then according to our Concept — ToE–Quantum Space, the Primary Information for the First and Last Moments are convergently the same — even though their values ​​are different. This means that the sequence for the End of the Universe must converge to a single value. This value appears to be the same, although in reality they are not equal.

Entropy is central to the second law of thermodynamics, which states that the entropy of an isolated system left to spontaneous evolution cannot decrease with time. As a result, isolated systems evolve toward thermodynamic equilibrium, where the entropy is highest. A consequence of the second law of thermodynamics is that certain processes are irreversible.

Geometry for relativity theory can play a key role for our concept of gravity. Does this mean that today’s mathematical models based on geometry will have an impact on the development of what Albert Einstein started? We don’t know exactly how geometry will change if our concept of time changes.

Quantum Mechanics has its own rules. One of the rules is the uncertainty principle. It seems that the indeterminacy principle must have different rules for the concept of time – time at the quantum level functions quite differently. This means that the concept of time in quantum mechanics can usefully introduce a different description of phenomena at the quantum level. If that were the case, then we would also have to factor in macro-scale phenomena.

In order for a feature, an attribute of the Universe to appear, which will enable the description of our Universe using laws, information must first appear. Information was the first trigger for subsequent features of the Universe, which can be used to describe our Universe. It was information that united four attributes: time, space, energy and matter. Information originally had to be some form of energy of a type unknown to us. Only then, were the individual attributes of the description of our Universe released from information. The first attribute to be released was time.

 At the beginning of everything there had to be Information.

Marek Ożarowski